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March 08, 2007

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Hello Kristine, most of what you wrote here is actually wrong: "France bans non-journalists from recording acts of violence" and "the law could lead to the imprisonment of eyewitnesses who film acts of police violence, or operators of Web sites publishing the images".

I answer it here:
http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2007/03/375_answering_b.html

But thanks for blogging about it, it means it apparently needed some more communication. I hope this answers your concerns.

As far as my conference is concerned, please let me remind you that I had invited the three candidates and two of them came (Bayrou was there, representant of the central party UDF and with a growing popularity in France). I also answered this in details here:
http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2006/12/the_end_of_blog.html

You may want to have a look at the above post, I hope you do.

Thank you,

Loic

As "cross-"posted to Loic's blog"

Cher Loïc,

The actual text of the legislation is here http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/12/ta/ta0680.asp
and RSF's commentary, which seems quite valid, http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=21237
here. ( <-- no HTML allowed in your comments!)

Actually reading the legislation reveals that it is a somewhat wide-ranging abridgment of the urbaine and rural codes dealing with issues of order and 'delinquency,' spanning from feral cats to unsavory images including those of pornography and violence.

As the RSF article points out, 'Article 222-13 concerns' and extends statutory authority over violence "committed by an agent of the state in the exercise of his duties." ' Given precedent, one might also question whether the legislation extends authority over so-called 'pornographic' images, which allegedly might 'contribute to the delinquency of a minor,' transmitted into French territories from extraterritorial locations.

The exact exempting phrase of the legislation is "Le présent article n’est pas applicable lorsque l’enregistrement ou la diffusion résulte de l’exercice normal d’une profession ayant pour objet d’informer le public ou est réalisé afin de servir de preuve en justice," or, roughly in English, "this legislation does not apply insofar and the recording or transmission occurs in the usual practices of a profession whose goal is to inform the public, or which was made in order to serve as evidence."

While I believe there is reason for concern given the wide extension of scope elsewhere in the legislation, and whereas the alleged "intent" of the Interior Ministry and its personnel have little relevance to French civil procedure, the dual exclusion of the 'usual practices' of 'professions' intent on 'informing the public,' and of recordings made to 'serve as evidence (or: 'witness'), provide a large leeway for what has come to be called "citizen journalism."

Regardless, as written, the the legislation would criminalize the publication of a video recording of French soldiers murdering Algerian protesters and dumping their bodies into the Seine, if such a recording had been made incidentally by a third-party neither exercising professional duty to inform the public, or an 'intent' to record evidence of the event. What would be the status of video recording made 'incidentally' by a tourist or security camera?

The "devil is in the details," as it is said in English, and such questions are indeed disturbing in the context of a legislative act whose apparent aim is to restrict freedom of expression in various situations.

As for the Interior Ministry's response, we also have a word in English, "spin." Je ne suis pas exactement sur de la phrase pareille en francais, [mais...]

As partly cross-posted to Loic's blog (more here)

Thanks for commenting.

Loic: as a blogger, due to lack of time, I rely on 'second hand reporting' a lot of the time. That does not mean I don't try to stand it up, at least by checking against multiple sources.

For this particular post I pulled together what I thought were some very interesting, good, worrying perspectives, and relied on a wide range of sources, MSM as well as bloggers, one of the most trusted being Reporters Sans Frontiers. What you're effectively saying, is that even they got this story wrong.

The answers you got from the ministry of the interior, and Kenneth's comment, shows that this may not be the major threat to citizen journalism as so many feared, but Kenneth's comment doesn't make me less worried about this dubious law.

Again, we've seen too many times how the outcome of court cases hinge on some small nuance in the legal texts, or even on interpretations of laws that are ambiguous.

I'm not saying that this is your fault, by all means, but being seen as Sarkozy's online adviser, and being an expert in this environment yourself, it's natural to hope that you would have some positive influence on Sarkozy's understanding of this environment.

The second law mentioned in my post bears all the marks of a dinosaur, outdated, I was tempted to say Stalinist, thinking. Seems those behind both these law proposals could do with a better understanding of the world we live in.

As for Le Web 3.0., as I understood it, the main complaint was not about which politicians were there, but the fact that Sarkozy in particular seemed to be using it as a platform for speechifying, talking down to the audience, or to the cameras, rather than talking with the bloggers.

It would be fantastic if bigwig politicians attended Le Web 3.0 to understand more about the blogosphere, but my impression was that the conference was used more as a place to 'be seen'.

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